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The statement where Toriyama says Bardock is very powerful amongst low-class Saiyans comes from an Episode of Bardock interview, meaning it's non-canon. The interviewer actually specifies the film in their question.
- About how high was Bardock’s battle power, ultimately? (In Episode of Bardock) Also, if he hadn’t been defeated by Freeza and had continued his growth, about how strong would he have gotten?
To be honest, I haven’t thought it through that far, but Bardock is a low-class warrior. Although even saying that, almost all [Saiyans] were low-class warriors, and there were only about 10 mid-class warriors. And when you get to the elite warriors, there’s only King Vegeta and Prince Vegeta. Bardock is in the upper ranks as far as low-class warriors go, but he isn’t able to become a mid-class warrior. This rank is determined by an innate latent battle power, but naturally, if their battle power rises greatly afterward, they can be promoted.
In no less than two interviews, Toriyama himself has also described Raditz as an upper-level warrior in the same general group as Nappa.
- A baby’s battle power is measured as soon as they are born. If their numbers pass a certain standard, then they are considered upper-level warriors and immediately raised as combatant candidates. On the other hand, those whose numbers remain low even after a certain amount of time has passed are regarded as lower-level warriors, and become either engineers or are sent off to a planet somewhere as “infiltration babies”1. If they grow strong enough to conquer that planet, then they can return to their home world as a combatant. However, infiltration babies do not have a high survival rate. Raditz was an upper-level warrior and assigned to the same group as Nappa as a proper combatant. Before long Vegeta was added to that group, too.
- Vegeta is the prince and so he has a higher position due to strength. But Raditz and Nappa have equal status.
As for how strong he really is, I'm not sure. In the original manga, it's heavily implied that Bardock fought Frieza's men, while he doesn't even see the tyrant in DBS: Broly.
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Any specific proposals?
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That's the problem. Canon Bardock has no concrete strength level.
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ByAsura said:
As for how strong he really is, I'm not sure. In the original manga, it's heavily implied that Bardock fought Frieza's men, while he doesn't even see the tyrant in DBS: Broly.
???
Am i missing something?
Bardock is clearly battle damaged by the time he clashes with Freeza's beam, doesnt that reaffirm he fought his men before getting to Freeza himself?
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It does, but that was retconned.
Edit: You mean the broly film. Looking at it again, Frieza's men do appear to be in the background.
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ByAsura said:
Edit: You mean the broly film. Looking at it again, Frieza's men do appear to be in the background.
Yea lol
They also show up in the Super version too
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Okay, so what needs to be done then?
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Imo, delete the Canon key. Canon Bardock lacks any way to quantify his power, he's basically a huge Unknown in everything, so we should focus his profile only on the Toei version.
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Delete his ass
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He could still be roughly the same in power. Unnamed Frieza soldiers scoff at 1,000 power levels, while stronger ones like Appule are only a little weaker than Namekians with PLs of 3,000.
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Yea at bare minimum canon Bardock is strong enough to push through a bunch of Freeza's men so id wager hes closer to Appule.
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Yeah, but other than that, he doesn't have much. A mention as a footnote is enough for canon Bardock. Canon Bardock is just original Bardock, but without the precognition.
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What about the manga story in which Bardock travelled to the past and became a Super Saiyan? Is that canon?
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It's not. I believe Episode of Bardock is supposed to be a tie-into Xenoverse.
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Okay. Never mind then.
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Anyway, I have to unsubscribe from this thread due to time constraints. You can notify me later via my message wall if you need my help after you have reached a conclusion. Alternately, a staff member can use the @Username notification system.
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Nullflowerblush said:
It's not. I believe Episode of Bardock is supposed to be a tie-into Xenoverse.
It's supposed to be a sequel to the original special, but yeah, that just means it is Toeiverse instead of manga canon.
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